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Autor:  PPAULO
E-mail:  não-disponível
Data:  29/JUL/2007 7:53 PM
Assunto:  Steer clear of the guy´s web site, one more view.

Dear Naudonit,
Has your name anything to do with "dunking" (or "dunkin'") foods? At the moment?
You know the saying "Wrong question, wrong answer"? Here we have something similar, "Non question, non answer". It's very similar to an "if" situation, where I can say in answer to a hypothetical grammatical and conjectural third conditional "if" clause, "Yes, and if my mother had been a man I'd have had two fathers".
I'm afraid the complexities of Chinese thinking elude me. If you really want an answer (and to tell you the truth I can't even begin to imagine why you, or anyone come to that, would), may I suggest you try your hardest to get a qualified Chinese/English teacher (also a qualfied English/Chinese teacher would be all right too).
So, tricky question? Yes. Deserves a tricky answer? Or perhaps one could also replace "tricky" with other, more suitable adjectives, i.e. impossible, absurd, etc. (That's being kind).
As always,
PS But to give an answer to "what kind of time is since 2000", we could say "long"? Could we? Or couldn't we? 'Spose it's relative.
PPS I'd suggest steering clear of the guy's web site. Well clear.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ulisses Wehby de Carvalho
To: Michael Jacobs
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Fwd: Verb Tenses , a tricky question for me...


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From: naudonit <naudonit@click21.com.br>
Date: Jul 14, 2007 3:01 AM
Subject: Verb Tenses , a tricky question for me...
To: "mjacobs@teclasap.com.br" <mjacobs@teclasap.com.br>

Autor:  Migrainegirl
E-mail:  migrainegirll@yahoo.com.br
Data:  13/JUL/2007 11:38 PM
Assunto:  What kind of time is "since 2000"?

Mensagem:  Hello guys!

Well, I'd like you to help me out with this one. I am a member of a site and
there we have a forum. People send many questions about English and the members
answer the way they think it is correct. The last one was from a Chinese guy. He
opened the discussion asking: What kind of time is "since 2000"? Is it past
time, present time, or future time?

Many people explained him that since refers to something that started in the
past and that is still happening up to the present time. And because of that,
the Present Perfect must be used. The guy does not feel satisfied with any of
the answers. He said:

I know "since 2000" prefers to use Present Perfect. But what kind of time is it?

Is it past time, present time, or future time? I know of this ABC. Now if you
know what you are saying, can you tell me what kind of time you are talking
about? Are you talking about present time, or past time? Or even future time?
Or do you want to say "since 2000" is not a kind of time?


Then, a girl answered:

sentences in the present perfect tense refer that something started in the past
and has just finished or is still happening... so it can be present time or
past time-just like its name says: present (present time) perfect (past time)

And he replied:
Isn't Simple Present Action "I sometimes swim in the beach" also something
started in the past and has just finished or is still happening? Do you think
it also "can be present time or past"?
More correctly, "since 2000" is neither present time nor past time. It is in the
middle of past and present. Since this time span is expressed by Present
Perfect, we may call it Perfect Time.

I really want to know how you would answer this guy. He also cites a website
about English Tenses he created (www.englishtense.com) and another discussion
on the same topic on another  forum called English Club
( http://www.englishclub.com/tefl/viewtopic.php?t=3898)

Please, give me your opinion about this issue. I'm very curious about your
I'm anxiously waiting for replies.
Thanks in advance!!!!

= = = = = = === = =
I got curious too.
I coudn´t give an accurate answer, so this was beyond my knowledge.
Could you help us?
I thank you very much, indeed.

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 English Made in Brazil -- English, Portuguese, & contrastive linguistics
What kind of time is "since 2000"?  –  Migrainegirl  13/JUL/2007, 11:38 PM
What kind of time is "since 2000"?  –  PPAULO  14/JUL/2007, 12:20 AM
What kind of time is "since 2000"?  –  pat  14/JUL/2007, 8:22 AM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  José Roberto  14/JUL/2007, 11:59 AM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  Johannes  14/JUL/2007, 7:34 PM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  Márcio Farias  15/JUL/2007, 7:31 AM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  The real Alexandre  15/JUL/2007, 12:04 AM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  Nana  18/JUL/2007, 3:19 PM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  PPAULO  18/JUL/2007, 9:51 PM
Don't waste your time...really.  –  Migrainegirl  18/JUL/2007, 11:23 PM
 Steer clear of the guy´s web site, one more view.  –  PPAULO  29/JUL/2007, 7:53 PM

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