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Autor:  PPAULO
E-mail:  não-disponível
Data:  02/FEV/2008 5:33 PM
Assunto:  Take for or take to?

 What´s up Nina? you´re really an avid learner, huh?

  I greatly appreciated you thirsty for knowledge and searched the web and, really, I didn´t find such a good information.

  It took a while, that´s why I didn´t come earlier.

  But, eventually, I searched BBC (always Bee bee saving me...lol) and I found a useful explanation on that, if you wish yourself can access the link.

  There´s more pairs of tricky words and difficult choices on words that stump us all the time (at least for me who have such bad and rusty English!).  So, go to the plate and eat it up...lol.

   Nice weekend.   And be careful (yesterday the car I was traveling for work almost was hit by a pet bottle (coke or something like that) with some liquid...and almost hit our windshield..only imagine that we were traveling at 150 km/h.   We were lucky because it landed at the front of the car or wheels and exploded in such way that I did think that the bus that were passing beside had scratched us, or some of our wheels had flatted...

   My friend...driver almost made an U-turn and followed the bus...he got real crossed (I would if I were driving too, because if had hit the windshield would be right in his face or chest...good grief!).     But he had to arrive in Natal, and next he had to travel to Recife...so he gave up....Our roads are getting dangerous...

    I beg you that travel by bus, don´t throw things like that in the side of road that car are coming...please.


Ah, your answer (the Paulo in question, is not me):







Paulo and Renato ask:
To / For

 A question from Paulo from Brazil:

   Hi Samantha, my name is Paulo. I like to study English and my question is about
the use of the prepositions to and for in some special cases.
   As I wrote to you, I know that I must say Happy birthday to you and That’s a gift
for you. But I just don’t know the reason I can say, for example, That’s a gift
for you. I would like some guidelines to help me with this matter. Thank you Samantha.

... and a similar question from Renato from Brazil:

 I am always confused when to use to or for. For example, should I say an efficient
method to solve my problem or an efficient method for solving my problem?
Why, according to one American, does it sound natural to hear Let's go out for lunch?
Shouldn't to be used with go when followed by a verb? Please enlighten me on this topic.
 Yours sincerely, Renato



Samantha Hague answers:
 Hi Paulo and thanks for your question. And, as well as answering your question,
I’m going to answer a similar one at the same time from Renato.
And the use of preposition is a topic that worries many of my students –
I know because I’m often asked for advice about which preposition to use where,
especially around the time that assignments are due in!

I do think that prepositions are one of the most difficult areas of English to
master, because there are so many prepositions and so many different combinations
of verb and preposition that have to be memorised individually.

But let’s begin with your first example Paulo, when we say Happy Birthday.
And when we use Happy Birthday we’re using a set expression or a greeting like
Happy Christmas, Happy New Year or Congratulations, and if you wanted to follow
this expression with a pronoun, you would have to use the preposition to with it -
Happy Christmas to you!, Happy Birthday to you! – although it might be more common
simply to use the greeting without a pronoun in speech.

In your second example Paulo, for is followed by a pronoun, you, and functions as
a preposition showing the intended recipient:

The parcel is for Jenny.

The flowers are for mother.

Here is a gift for you.

 So now to answer Renato’s question. In the examples you give, Renato, I’d say that
the first example, with the infinitive verb, is the better choice.
 You’ve only given me part of the sentence – an efficient method to solve my
problem – but the phrase suggests an outcome or the solution to a problem.
  Let’s put this into a complete sentence by adding a verb:

  I discovered an efficient method to solve my problem.

  In this case, the second verb always appears in the infinitive form because these
 are all examples of the infinitive showing purpose:

  I watched television all day to relieve my boredom.

  I made her a chocolate cake to make her feel better.

   He went into town to order his new computer.

  In each of the examples above, there is an outcome or an intention which
is reported by the to clause, similar to the one in your own example, Renato.

  Finally, to look at the last example, if I said Shall we go out to eat lunch?
the verb go out would be followed by a verb, wouldn’t it? However, in your own
example, Renato – Let’s go out for lunch – the verb is followed by a noun (lunch),
so we have to use the preposition for in this expression!

  Well Paulo, thanks for your question and I hope that both the answers will be
useful to you.

Paulo responds:

OK, yes. I just would like to thank you all from BBC.
 You are doing a really great job. Your programme, BBC Learning English,
is a powerful tool for every student and it was a really pleasure to have
the opportunity to talk to you in this programme. Thank you very much and have
a good day!
About Samantha Hague
Samantha Hague has been a teacher of English language and communication skills
for the past sixteen years.   She taught in Japan for many years, but is now
based at Newcastle University, where she teaches on an MA in Translating and
Interpreting, as well as preparatory EFL programmes.




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 English Made in Brazil -- English, Portuguese, & contrastive linguistics
Take for or take to?  –  Nina  02/FEV/2008, 12:15 PM
Take for or take to?  –  Johannes  02/FEV/2008, 12:44 PM
 Take for or take to?  –  PPAULO  02/FEV/2008, 5:33 PM
Take for or take to?  –  PPAULO  02/FEV/2008, 5:35 PM
Take for / to?  –  Context  03/FEV/2008, 6:13 PM
Take for / to?  –  PPAULO  04/FEV/2008, 1:49 AM

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